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Buying a Barco
Many people have asked me to add this section even though the Barco site hasn't seen any major revisions in a long time and I myself have long sold my projector. So, since I'm such a nice guy, I thought I'd add it anyway :)
Read this first!
Before you run off to load that massive 3-tube monster into the trunk of your car, you may want to ask yourself the following questions first:
ROOM
- Do I have room to properly place the projector on the floor without ever moving it again OR can I mount it safely to the ceiling without risking getting killed by a 140 lbs piece of plastic, glass and metal?
- Have I properly checked the Barco Lens Program (see downloads section) and made sure the projector can be mounted at the proper projection distance as it has no (I repeat NO!) zoom option
- Is ambient light in my room controllable so I can watch the screen in the darkest possible environment? (see recommendations)
- Do I have a 1.2 max gain screen so I can avoid color hotspotting caused by the fact that each tube projects an image under a different angle? (so pearl screens are out of the question)
WIFE/ROOMMATE/WHATEVER (This one is important!)
- Does my girlfriend, wife, partner, roommate or whoever else is living with me fully understand the implications of having such a large device prominently visible in the room and if not, what are the chances of her/him/it leaving or divorcing me once that actually sinks in? "It's too big for me" might sound flattering at first but history shows that the missus usually has the last say when it comes to furniture arrangements and whatever else you can put in a room.
- How will you deal with it when she changes her mind? :)
NOISE
- Can I live with the fact that a CRT projector makes a significant amount of noise (depending on the model) knowing that I can only reduce that noise by heavily modifying fans or building a hushbox with external ventilation?
ANNOYANCES
- Can I live with the fact that from now on any sub-standard quality DVD will become completely unwatchable on my screen since crappy images are so much more noticable?
- Can I live with the fact that from now on any good quality DVD and particularly Bluray and HD video will look ridiculously good. So good even that I may forget about regular cinema theaters altogether?
TWEAKING
- Am I willing to spend countless hours tweaking and optimizing my CRT projector tube alignment, convergence and focus setup in my quest for the ultimate image quality? (because this thing will get you hooked on high end tweaking and babble about high end home cinema for sure!)
- Am I willing to take some startup time into account when watching movies (in order for the projector to reach its normal temperature and avoid convergence drift (ES setups like the Barco Data 800 in particular)?
TRANSPORTATION/SHIPPING
- Can I fit such a beast into the trunk of my car?
- Can I get somebody to assist me in carrying the projector to and from the car because it's quite heavy and there's no way I can carry it by myself alone?
- If I buy this on ebay, how much will it cost me to get it to my house and will it survive the trip?
- Do I have proper padding/protection to protect the projector from damage during transportation?
VIDEO INPUT SOURCES
- Do I have the means to drive the projector with a proper source be it a home theater PC or upscaling dvd player with the proper outputs?
- Do I have the equipment to convert the source signal to the appropriate RGBHV with negative sync signal if necessary? (HD Fury or scaler comes to mind)*
* note: I do not provide any support whatsoever on hardware matching, scalers, HD fury or whatever else you use in your setup!
SPECIFICATIONS
- Does the CRT projector model that I chose support the RGB Bandwidth and refresh rate that my video source or player requires?
- Does the CRT projector that I am about to buy support progressive video input? (some old smaller models will only do interlaced video)
POSSIBLE DAMAGE, REPAIRS OR MISSING PARTS? And other stuff you may not have thought about
- Is my projector setup for flat screen projection instead of simulations (curved screens used in military simulations)?
- Does the CRT projector that I am about to buy NOT have significant tube wear (caused by high contrast and brightness settings and/or long running hours) that may require tubes to be replaced in the near future? (see tube wear table)
- Does the CRT projector that I am about to buy NOT have any tube burn (caused by static images or electronic issues such as faulty power supplies)? Because if so, the tube usually will require immediate replacement or the image will be unwatchable.
(If demonstration is not possible make sure you bring a flashlight to check signs of tube wear or burn. If demonstration IS possible, put on some sunglasses before staring into the tubes or you'll regret it bad)
- Does the CRT projector that I am about to buy NOT have retrace lines visible, show other weird artifacts that shouldn't be there or have g2 issues (see Common Problems section on this website) that may require parts to be replaced or repaired?
- If the CRT projector that I am about to buy has liquid coupling, is the liquid clear and without fungus?
- Does it come with a matching and working remote control? Setting up a Barco without a remote is not much fun if you are 9 feet below the projector and unable to reach it easily once it's installed.
- Does this CRT projector model have any spares available on Ebay or other second hand markets? (Tubes are relatively expensive and some more obscure and high end models require tubes that cost a small fortune!)
RELIABLE VENDOR?
- If you are buying your projector from a (fellow) forum member, look up his posts and see if there have been any problems with the unit. If so, how have these been solved?
- Is my vendor a reliable source and willing to help out if things aren't working as expected upon installation?
- Does the previous owner have significant knowledge about CRT projection and did he/she operate it at the correct projection distance? Too far away may have caused visible wear on the outer edges of the tube phosphor area! Too close may have caused damage to the tubes due to heating of uncooled areas of the glass tube
- Is my vendor not somebody claiming to be a descendant of a Nigerian prince in desperate need of a bank account, quick sale or other trade that sounds to good to be true and thus is?
- Does the vendor accept a payment method that is not prone to fraud? (Western Union payment only is usually a sign to run away as fast as you can)
- Is the vendor willing to demonstrate the unit before purchase / payment? If not, is there a decent explanation as to why not?
YES????
If the answer to all these questions (and yes, they are quite a few) is YES then you are ready to pick up your CRT projector :)
If there are some repairs to consider, make sure you check part availability and that you have the proper electronics skills (read: won't accidently kill yourself while messing with high voltage electronics) before proceeding.
PRICING
In recent years DLP, LCD and similar technologies have been moving at such a fast rate that CRT prices have dropped to record lows. Consider that a "regular" full HD projector can now be bought for less than $2000 and its easy to see why many people part from their CRT's in favor of smaller and easier to operate projectors. This gives rise to a great number of CRT projectors currently being sold for ridiculously low prices. I've seen Barco 800 series sold for $150 and even less now.
If you buy a CRT projector, make sure that it is OK because repairs can be tricky and rather expensive (see above)
OTHER BARCO MODELS
I've recently seen even some flagship projectors such as the Barco 1209s and 808 and 909 series sold for very nice prices, so if you have the cash and time you may want to consider one of these more modern CRT projectors instead of the 800 series. Newer series usually have electromagnetic instead of electrostatic convergence which means more control and much MUCH less convergence drift. Some of the higher end models are also equiped with liquid coupling which results in an even higher contrast ratio and absence of lens flaring caused by scattered light inside the lens assembly. An 808, 808s, 1209, and 1209s and Cine series in particular are quite a step up from the 800 series but as they are wanted more, projector and parts prices are usually significantly higher. A 1209s or Cine9 will blow pretty much any affordable other projector technology out of the water but these projectors are even larger and heavier than the 800 series. Then again, if you've gone this far already and happen to have the cash, why not :)
Video sources
On a sidenote: you should make sure you have the proper video source to drive the CRT projector. Barco 800 series require negative sync RGBHV for operation. Although this is quite easy to do with a home theater PC running powerstrip, external or standalone players may require some fiddling or conversion hardware such as the excellen HDFury to output the proper signal (and support HDCP! :) ). As I don't own a Barco anymore myself I cannot help you out with any issues regarding input signal compatibility. I tested my Barco 800 setup succesfully with 1080i at 30Hz on a home theater PC. If you want to send 1080p at higher refresh rates to the projector, you will likely need a newer / better projector model. Note that none of the Barco series CRT projectors support HDCP by default so hooking up HD equipment will likely require something like the HDFURY connector/convertor to take care of that.
If, despite all the warnings on this page you decide to go forward with your purchase, I gratulate you one one of the coolest things you'll ever buy :) Make sure you read the manuals and visit the appropriate forums for more info and most of all have fun with it!
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